On the Other Hand

# 123, OTOH, Authors and national Braver Angels leaders Doug Teschner and Beth Malow, , Pt 1, 8-22-25

April and Glen have a conversation with fellow Braver Angels and national leaders Doug Teschner and Beth Malow, whose new book, "Beyond the Politics of Contempt: Practical Steps to Build Positive Relationships in Divided Times," revolves around addressing the increasing political polarization and divisiveness in the United States and offering practical steps to foster positive relationships and civil discourse. Key discussions in part 1 include the importance of disagreement in a democracy, as it is a natural and necessary step toward finding solutions. However, Doug cautions that "when we dehumanize people" by calling them "evil," "stupid," or "not a patriot," this prevents productive engagement and leads to an "us versus them mentality,” even dehumanization, which degrades a healthy democracy. A crucial first step is for individuals to identify their core values and then reflect on whether their actions and words, especially when discussing political opponents, align with those values. "Are you living your values?" Beth expresses concern that in our current environment, the "exhausted majority" have withdrawn into their bubbles and silo and has become apathetic. Their book aims to inspire these individuals to return to a healthy form of democratic and societal engagement.

# 122 OTOH, UA Little Rock Assistant Vice Chancellor for Student Affairs Sharon Downs, on bullying, wellness and inclusion, Part 2, June 24 2025

In part 2 of our conversation with Sharon Downs, she outlines a variety of practical strategies and societal trends related to communication and bullying. We unpack the bystander effect, a phenomenon that often prevents intervention in bullying situations, and we learn about the "five D's" of intervention—a practical toolkit for anyone who wants to help when someone is being bullied. We also examine how social media and political polarization have normalized bullying behaviors and discuss the challenges posed by misinformation and confirmation bias. Sharon provides insightful recommendations for further learning and offers a hopeful perspective on a possible generational shift towards more respectful communication. This episode will be of particular interest for anyone interested in effective communication, conflict resolution, and understanding the complex dynamics that shape our public discourse.

# 121 OTOH, UA Little Rock Assistant Vice Chancellor for Student Affairs Sharon Downs, on bullying, wellness and inclusion, Part 1, June 24 2025

Join us in this first of two episodes of our conversation with Sharon Downs, Assistant Vice Chancellor for Student Affairs at UA Little Rock. Sharon's professional focus is on wellness and promoting inclusivity, and she is also an expert in addressing bullying. She shares her personal journey, from her early experiences with bullying to her pioneering work in establishing safe zone training at UA Little Rock. We hear her views of the critical role of allyship and the importance of creating supportive environments. The discussion also delves into the challenges of bullying in today's politically polarized climate, with Sharon offering valuable strategies for measured and assertive responses. Sharon offers us a powerful exploration of personal growth, professional dedication, and the courage to stand up against bullying, including on social media.

# 120, OTOH, Providence Park for Homeless leaders Errin Stanger and Mandy Davis, Part 2, July 18 2025

In the second part of our conversation with Providence Park for Homeless leaders Errin Stanger and Mandy Davis, we delve into how they envision long-term success and thriving communities. A fascinating aspect is the introduction of "missionals" – individuals who live alongside residents, offering friendship and support, acting as the "secret sauce" of the neighborhood. You'll also hear about their plans for on-site workforce development, empowering residents through meaningful work within the community itself, fostering dignity and morale. We discuss their approach to collaboration across diverse perspectives, emphasizing that meeting the real needs of the unsheltered population guides all their partnerships. Finally, you'll hear deeply personal stories highlighting the profound human connections forged and how Providence Park is combatting a pervasive societal issue: loneliness, creating a mutually beneficial environment for everyone involved.

# 119, OTOH, Providence Park for Homeless leaders Errin Stanger and Mandy Davis, Part 1, July 18 2025

Are you curious about transforming homelessness and building vibrant communities? Check out part 1 of this conversation, where April and substitute co-host John O’Brien chat with Errin Stanger & Mandy Davis of Providence Park, a 50-acre planned community dedicated to providing permanent, affordable housing and a supportive environment for individuals transitioning from chronic homelessness in Central Arkansas. Inspired by a highly successful model in Austin, Texas, this project believes that housing combined with a strong sense of community creates true sustainability. We explore their unique vision, including beautifully furnished tiny homes designed with community in mind, and communal spaces like a central kitchen and laundry facility to foster connection. Hear how they define and serve the chronic homeless population, ensuring the right intervention for those most in need. Discover the vital partnerships propelling this ambitious project forward and how you can get involved.

# 118, OTOH, Glen & April Red/Blue conversation on free speech, Part 4, May 7 2025

Glen and April conclude the 4th and final part of their Red/Blue conversation on free speech with an exploration of the importance of having a balanced “media diet,” which includes exposure to a wide variety of viewpoints to gain a comprehensive understanding of reality. Available media bias charts were noted as a useful tool for comparing different news sources in terms of objectivity, political slants, and fairness.  Also discussed was how much and when to trust scientific research and experts. The issue of balancing competing values in free speech was emphasized, and the team also explored the Supreme Court decision that equated money with speech. Other discussions included the importance of free speech in terms of its rights but also its moral responsibilities, considering the impact on others and the community. Glen and April also highlighted the importance of self-awareness, being open to change, and focusing on positive interactions. The conversation ended on a note of unity, with both speakers recognizing commonalities in their perspectives on free speech.

# 117, OTOH, Glen & April Red/Blue conversation on free speech, Part 3, May 7 2025

Glen and April start part 3 of our Red/Blue conversation on free speech by discussing the intricate balance between free speech and the imperative to combat misinformation and harmful content. They delve into categories of unprotected speech, the concept of cancel culture, and the roles of government and private companies in content moderation. The conversation also touches upon the importance of ethical communication, including the current practice of doxing individuals of power on “the other side,” the challenges of determining factual information, and the necessity of respectful dialogue when addressing controversial topics. Both speakers acknowledge the difficulty of drawing clear lines between protected and unprotected speech in the digital age.

# 116, OTOH, Ryan Davis, Children International director, Part 2, June 20 2025

In part 2 of our conversation with Ryan Davis, Executive Director for Children’s International in Little Rock, April and Glen explore his work with the Rockefeller Foundation as a faith-based consultant, as well as with various interfaith Initiatives that include Christians, imams, rabbis, and Buddhist representatives to discuss and engage with legislative bodies on public policy. His runs for public office are motivated in part by his belief that we all have a "prophetic mandate" to speak to those in power, regardless of political affiliation. Ryan describes his political identity as a "Christian Democratic Socialist," and explains the importance of government providing assistance to those in need, including the “working poor” who can have their financial earnings easily exhausted by unexpected expenses. Governmental budgets he sees as reflecting the values of that society, so with respect to relying on non-governmental assistance, he states "we can't food pantry our way out of this problem.” Ryan describes how an east African directive shapes his thinking and career: “Work with the clay while it is still wet.” By helping people when they’re young, Davis hopes to shape the future and lessen the number of “broken adults.”  As a concluding story, he recalls a question a young person asked him that inspired him to continually remind himself of “why I am here.”

#115, OTOH, Ryan Davis, Children International director, Part 1, 6 20 2025

April and Glen talk with Ryan Davis, Executive Director for Children International in Little Rock. Ryan is also a faith-based strategy consultant for the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation and a Board Member of the Arkansas Public Policy Panel. In this first part of our interview with Ryan, he provides a summary of the work done by Children International and his role locally, which includes helping raise funding for educational and other interventions with children who need assistance. He traces how the influence of his family and early religious values led to his current views and help to motivate his work. Among his work through Children International is helping provide education related to social and emotional development in children. Given that some on the right object to this type of education, Ryan defends its role in the educational system and explains its importance in the healthy development of children with whom Children International works.

# 114, OTOH, Glen & April Red/Blue conversation on free speech, Part 2, May 7 2025

In part 2 of April and Glen’s “Red/Blue” discussion on free speech, they delve into the challenges of combating misinformation and “bad speech” in a free speech society. Glen argues that simply providing more accurate information is not always effective, as people’s beliefs are often influenced by emotions and tribalism rather than rationality. April concurs and emphasizes the significance of relationship-building and structured debates in addressing misinformation. She highlights Braver Angels’ approach, which utilizes compassionate curiosity and structured conversations to understand diverse perspectives and challenge falsehoods without compromising free speech. Both speakers underscore the need for nuanced approaches that transcend mere facts to effectively address misinformation. The discussion also explores the complexities of regulating speech on social media and in society as a whole. Glen and April discuss the intricate balance between free speech and the imperative to combat misinformation and harmful content. They delve into categories of unprotected speech, the concept of cancel culture, and the roles of government and private companies in content moderation. The conversation also touches upon the importance of ethical communication, including the current practice of doxing individuals of power on “the other side,” the challenges of determining factual information, and the necessity of respectful dialogue when addressing controversial topics. Both speakers acknowledge the difficulty of drawing clear lines between protected and unprotected speech in the digital age.