On the Other Hand

#112, OTOH, Carlton Wing, Republican legislator in AR House, Part 2, June 10 2025

In part 2 of our conversation with Carlton Wing, Glen and April explore his thoughts on how to legislate from principle vs populism. Carlton bemoans the negative influences of extremists on both the left and right, and he cites the challenges politicians face in sometimes having to speak to the base of the party in order to be re-elected. Yet Carlton rejects name-calling as “an intellectual copout.” He also outlines a largely optimistic view of where he thinks Arkansas is headed politically. Carlton offers insights into how Arkansans can best provide feedback and have on impact on legislators, and he urges everyone to consider reaching out to their governmental officials. He finishes with a description of his poetic approach to lobbying for passage of his first bill as a freshman legislator.

: #111, OTOH, Carlton Wing, Republican legislator in AR House, Part 1, June 10 2025

Carlton Wing, Republican member of the Arkansas House of Representatives from the 70th district, sits down with April and Glen to talk about his career in sports media, his role as a host several years for a worldwide fishing tournament, and as a legislator since 2016.  Carlton traces his early influences on his views and then describes his current work in government as “servant leadership.” He strongly believes that his role in the legislature is to serve the people by focusing on principle before policies, and he believes the majority of Arkansans see things from somewhere in the middle, between extremes on both the left and right. Carlton feels all in government should work together, something he promotes by seeking to lower the temperature politically and to build bridges. After describing friendships he has made with Democrats, he outlines several key laws and issues that have been passed recently or that he feels must be addressed soon. Carlton focuses in particular on the need for addressing taxation policy that ensures all programs seen as important are able to be funded. He also praises recent work to promote the natural resources of Arkansas, given research showing the value to mental health of time spent in nature.

# 110, OTOH, Jonathan Seaborn, Manager of Little Rock Public radio, Part 2, June 3 2025

In part 2 of April and Glen’s conversation with Jonathan Seaborn, general manager of Little Rock Public Radio, Jonathan addresses criticisms from some listeners who complain of excessive coverage of some right-leaning figures such as Steve Bannon and President Trump. We also discuss the challenges of dealing with misinformation and disinformation in media, and how KUAR is working to meet that challenge. In discussing the past and current pushes to defund public media (e.g., NPR & PBS), Jonathan cites the relative contributions by public and private sources for KUAR’s operations and what recent threats to disable public funding of public media could mean in terms of what is likely to be lost within the community should that threat come to fruition. We also learn how the public radio stations in Arkansas are collaborating to serve the entire state of Arkansas, including more rural areas that may lack any alternative media options.

# 109, OTOH, Jonathan Seaborn, Manager of Little Rock Public radio, Part 1, June 3 2025

April and Glen talk with Jonathan Seaborn, general manager of Little Rock Public Radio & KUAR/KLRE radio stations. In this first part of our chat with Jonathan, we learn about his impressive credentials that brought him to Little Rock, as well as the extensive work he now does for Little Rock Public Radio to ensure that the many regulations and compliance requirements for public media are met. While this accountability is welcome, it reflects the station’s primary purpose of meeting needs of the community that may not always be met by more commercially viable media, where the emphasis tends to lean toward income from popular content or issues. Jonathan gives examples in both central Arkansas and in other states where local needs are met by public media that play critical roles in such areas as how citizens can secure resources and assistance in the aftermath of natural disasters. Jonathan mentions recent and existing concerns about aging infrastructure and technology, needing to relocate to a new space, and other challenges that are currently or have recently been addressed via community donations. Also discussed is the common perception that public radio tends to be a liberal voice, a perception that Jonathan asserts is, in large part, a misunderstanding of the products of National Public Radio vs other non-NPR products that may be part of programming for some NPR-affiliated stations.

# 108, OTOH, Julien Mirivel, UA Little Rock Professor of Communication, Part 2, April 8 2025

In part 2 of April and Glen’s conversation with Dr. Julien Mirivel, Professor of Applied Communication at UA-Little Rock and developer of the positive communication model (www.julienmirivel.com), we explore how to use positive communication practically. One specific example is how to deal with “conflict entrepreneurs” who purposely create or stoke conflict across divisions as a way to gain personally in some way. Julien emphasizes that communication is a choice and a “moral act” -- and gives examples of how he uses this approach in his classroom during difficult discussions. We also hear about his work with Heifer International in studying human transformation that happens as a result of that organization’s work. Julien also describes the individual and community aspects of positive communication, as well as how he thinks loneliness, an increasing problem in our society, may be helped via his ideas. We conclude with his story about an influential and memorable moment he experienced in Nepal. 

# 107, OTOH, Julien Mirivel, UA Little Rock Professor of Communication, Part 1, April 8 2025

April and Glen’s guest for this episode is Dr. Julien Mirivel, Professor of Applied Communication at UA-Little Rock, an author, teacher, scholar, researcher and academic leader. Julien is a native of France but has lived most of his adult life in the US. He is now a citizen and lives in Little Rock with his wife and 3 children. In this first part of our conversation with Julien, he explains his model of positive communication and breaks down the several key elements of his model, which he teaches and promotes nationally and internationally via the Positive Communication Network (http://www.positivecommunication.net/) he led in developing. We discuss ways his approach to communication can help overcome the strong attraction of negative or fear-based types of communication, and how it can also help with the problem of political polarization. 

#106, OTOH, Andrew Collins, AR House minority leader & attorney, Part 2, April 22 2025

 In part 2 of our conversation with Andrew Collins, Democratic state representative and minority leader in the Arkansas House, April and Glen learn about changes Andrew has seen over the course of his 4 terms as a legislator. He also describes his hopes that some “overreaching” by members of the majority party will eventually be understood by Arkansans and they will be corrected by voters. Responding to a quote from his social media, Andrew explains his belief in the importance of speaking up when things are moving in the wrong direction in the state and nation. He also speaks with pride about a bipartisan action taken in a previous session to stand up for legal and moral standards by legislators. Andrew further tells of how he seeks out members with views different from his own in order to form relationships and improve his ability to work effectively in his role, with an eye toward what is best for Arkansans overall.

#105, OTOH, Andrew Collins, AR House minority leader & attorney, Part 1, April 22 2025

Andrew Collins, Democratic state representative and minority leader in the Arkansas House, sat down with Glen and April to discuss his work in the legislature, including the recently concluded 2025 regular session. In part 1 of our conversation, Andrew describes his early life and values that led to his career and his decision to run for elected office. His voting decisions include many votes for bills by Republicans, sometimes even members who in other instances hold positions antithetical to his own, but he explains how his votes are based on important considerations other than who sponsors the bill. Among the many bills he is asked to consider, he outlines some of concern to him as well as positive ones. Andrew also expresses concerns about the increasing incursion of national issues into their lawmaking, and of the spread of erroneous information that can sometimes be influential in voting behavior.

#104, OTOH, Philip Martin, journalist, author and musician, Part 3, Feb 21 2025

For the 3rd and final part of our interview with journalist, author and musician Philip Martin, Glen and April hear from Philip about some of the challenges he encounters as a public figure who offers opinions that are not always welcome by some people. He offers his thoughts on differences between advocacy journalism and that he sees being currently practiced at the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette. Expressing his disappointment in how many people are easily manipulated in our current media environment, he offers some ideas on how to address that problem. Philip then concludes with a personal story about instructions from an editor early in his career and how that changed him.

#103, OTOH, Philip Martin, journalist, author and musician, Part 2, Feb 21 2025

In the second of our three episodes with Philip Martin - journalist, author and musician - April and Glen explore Phil's views of journalism past, present and future. He offers advice to young persons who may be considering journalism and the qualities that he'd prefer to see in who chooses to pursue that career.  Phil also provides his perspective on the increasing problem of mis/disinformation and suggests some guidelines for where and how to gain information within the broader media environment. We also discuss with Phil his view of Hillary Clinton's presidential run, and he discloses some interesting inside information provided to him at that time.